I'm not going to put a lot of effort in this post.

Nice summarizing of my post. I do appreciate the fact that you got it. I wasn't blaming anyone, I stated an observation followed by an opinion.I used a loose term for a reason. This way the reader of my post can evaluate it and place him/herself into perspective. Questions can be asked along the line of "I'm I contributing anything?" or "What is my current meaning/place in the community?". If I used more specific terms these questions would disappear and a line would be drawn by myself. This is not what I intended. I tried to make people think about it for a moment, I don't see how this method degrades the quality of my arguments.Stop making this about you, I wasn't pointing fingers. You obviously didn't get that.Masking resentment, yes. Masking hostility, no.Point proven.So not using obscene and aggressive language == sugarcoating. That's your right.I'm not speaking for everyone. I posted my observation and I got the feeling that I'm not the only one experiencing the same feeling as me....okSame reaction as a couple of lines above.You're turning this into a personal matter, this is not necessary unless.... Did my choice of loose term to induce questions actually work? This makes no sense. Why would you stop solving crack its after reading a thread. Sounds like you're just unable to support your arguments.That's your right, but as you always want to have the last word I do not quite believe you. But if you mean it: Thanks for the Rhican-experience and my very best to you!Talking is always the first step. To conclude I'll let you have the last word in this discussion.
@pvcoung: This discussion is about the community. Please start a new (meaningful) post (with a clear title) or find a correct thread if you want to discuss the challenge quality! I will be happy to answer your posts and state my opinion over there.

Greetings BaRa

@Bara: Dear Bara! I totally agree with you. That's why I banned myself from this (and many other sites). Four years ago (when I first came here) we were a community of guys who used to share a common interest: learn something and solve challenges, and I learned so much from this site, so much. As you said, now it's quite different. And as you also said, it's neither admins' fault nor challenge creators' fault. It's the community. The same thing is happening on so many other sites where I used to (USED TO...) play. Just check which is osix.net most viewed article to understand what I mean. There is a good news though. There is one site (well, as far as I know there could be others, but I don't know them) that still is made of guys who share a strong interest for learning and solving and you can't cheat there, because you have access to the forum only AFTER you solved a challenge. This means, if you can't solve it then you just can't. No private messages, no pray for hints, nothing like this. Just challenges. Believe me, that's the music you like to listen to. I don't know if the challenge type is the one you also like (mostly it's maths/geometry/programming), but I suggest you to check it out. It's www.projecteuler.net (the old mathschallenge.net) and it's great. You find me there as sfabriz as well. I know (because I have seen their nicks on the score page) that there are some tbs users there so what are you waiting for? Join us there!
I don't know if it means anything to you, but I respect you, I respect every man who fights against ignorance and stupidity and bad behaviour.

@admins here: just my 2 cents, but you could try to suspend pm's and the regular challenge forum (leave the discussion afterwards forum) for a while. See what happens, see if it gets better, and then decide if that stuff is really so necessary.

@everybody: Happy Easter!

May the source be with you all!
sfabriz

Yeah, I agree with Bara too.
Check what I got in my pm's incoming folder after 2 minutes I was logged today:

from the user yapi:
hi how did u get that logic 17: '24' ..? 

Cheers to everybody,
chine

BaRa: don't you see the correllation between the quality of challs and the quality of users?
I think if there were good challs that teach newbies how to solve a chall, how to think, how to teamwork then all noobs would have become pros and the community could have become better.
Instead we're having more and more puzzle-liek challs.
You know all puzzles have their solutions.
You know in ms interview they ask us to solve puzzles too.
ms sucks

Okay, like i've stated before, I haven't been here long enough to know all of you or by any means have your respect, but here is what I see. Rhican, dude, don't take this stuff personally. You said yourself that you have no reason to care about our respect. If that's the case, then you should have no problem getting flamed by others. As far as the community goes, if there is this much wrong, then lets scrap it. I guess someone had to say it, and I guess I will. I like having this many challenges solved, but the fact that everyone feels the site is no longer educational in the fact that the challenges teach you nothing, has made that feeling of accomplishment leave me. So, let''s start a tbs 2. And I say we screen people. Make 3-4 challenges that must be solved within lets say two weks of registering. If you can't solve those, then you don't get in. That way you don't have people just signing up and then solving nothing. And while we're at it, I say that we kick every user asking exactly how to solve a challenge out of the community. Unless of course we would be discussing the matter in a forum for people who have already solved the challenge. That's my opinion on the whole thing. Flame me, curse at me, heck, even ridicule me, but I think that it's time for change. And if you all want it, I say we go for it.

Last time... Wrong topic!

I don't see why it's the wrong topic. This topic is about discussing de crap community and everytime people try to come up with a solution or an idea why the community might be bad they have to shut up or start another topic.

If that's what you want I think I'm going to agree with rhican after all....

*Sigh* Another person who didn't get it... I wasn't looking for answers. I asked rhetorical questions to induce some thinking! Other opinions about this matter are welcome, solutions to this problem can be posted in one of the 300 forum-threads which cover this better. Or you can always start a new one if necessary.

Agreeing with rhican is your fullest right, but I don't see how cross posting can be a reason.

to chine .. I was asking for a hint not an answer .. you should talk to me first ..get a doctor

Reason why to post solutions on a new forum? Somebody proposes a solution in their reaction. Some ppl have a different view on this solution. A discussion starts about the solution and not about the problem. The discussion get sidetracked and the whole point of the thread gets lost. Which was intended to be: "I noticed a problem, does anybody else experience it this way?". Maybe this was not clear but my questions in the first post where meant to be rhetorical. I'm not trying to censor anyone.
BaRa