yeah but you have forget the EOS modulle present on ti-calculators true port 58h that's the part that decodes the basic programs... and i will tell you another thing they ahve another modules present one is MD5 by hardware and the other is RCA... And don't try to say that this ones are by software because they aren't... Soon i will realise a chall that will prove it...

[removed] rayden is just ignorant, shouldn't have spent so many words on this anyway.

Why don't you just download an opensource software and try running if from source code?

They're software. The EOS, also known as the Equation Operating System, is stored on a ROM chip in your calculator.

Let me guess what you're gonna say... "Oh wait, I think software means something different in portuguese".
I think the problem is not software or hardware, but your wetware.

Also, I never said there were no bytecode (or as you call it, "tokenized code") processors, but I do think it's unlikely. You claimed that there are more than one machine that can execute SCRIPTS directly.

Lets face it. You failed to provide any solid proof for your arguments. In fact, almost everything you say is not related to the subject or just plain wrong.

well as there are people not understanding i haven't said that opensource is run directly what i said is that UNIX SYSTEM'S SINCE 70's till now use scripts in order to run you do not know what is scripts so go under your x-server and try to look for some files named .xsession.
Another thing is that i doin't need top install an opensource system i use FreeBSD whitch in case you don't know the system that has contributed for the appearing of linux...

Another thing what you think that is installed in the flash AMD-FUJITSU chip is the TI-OS whitch is the operating system of the calculator this one reads the program activates tthe EOS module and then put it to run... if you don't trust me try to start an basic program and at the same time you could put an aplication to work... so now tell me why they run at the same time if the Ti-OS is not a multitask system and look closer to the other TI chip...
Maybe you found something funny the ram the CPU and all the other modules are in one... nowabout opensource in the world of computer is considered software witch brings up the source... normally we use it for creating the binaries and installe it on our system as people do not now what is a script and that there are thousands of scripts on unix system's i will now explain ...
SCRIPT- used by the system in order to start or enable a program or module can also be used for kernel configuration this scripts are decoded by the system and executed in assembler they cannot executed directly by AMD or INTEL processors because they do not have modules that permit it.... example "/boot/loader.conf" or "/etc/rc.conf" or "/etc/fstab" or "/etc/ttys" you want more... if you want tell me...

[removed] rayden is just ignorant, shouldn't have spent so many words on this anyway.

Wrong! Read rhican's comment. Sure, there are some scripts on linux systems, but they don't provide any vital functionality.


Wrong again! BSD was based on a UNIX distribution from Bell Labs, and linux was inspired by minix from Andrew Tanenbaum (but Linus Torvalds created his operating system from scratch). Initial development of the FreeBSD distribution started in 1993, so linux (which began in 1991) already existed at the time. So it's actually the other way around. The reason that FreeBSD has binary compatability with linux, is because this allows it to run applications developed for Linux, often commercial, that are only distributed in binary form and thus cannot be ported to FreeBSD without the will of those who control the source code.


Still wrong! Look at what it says about the EOS here: "This is the interface to you, and is stored in your calculator's ROM. TI BASIC is part of the EOS."


Well, I tried and it didn't work. What's your point?

Again there are peolpe that never learn... i will try one more time well you said that scripts in freebsd and in linux do not provide crucial execution of software so what you call to loader.conf whitch is the kernel configuration and loader by the way freebsd is not based on unix itg stands fo Berkely software development and is the unix modified it includes code of the original so it's not based on unix... now about modules create an app that do this if you understand the code...
LD HL,prog_name
bcall Mov9toop1
bcall chckfindsym
jr c,error_not_found
bcall _execute_basic
LD HL,hello_world
LD DE,0
LD (_pencol),De
LD DE,$8245
LD BC,mssage_end - hello_world
LDIR
LD HL,$8245
bcall _VPutS
bcall jforcecmdnochar


hello_world:
.db "ful's are those who note understand this code",'0
mesage_end


prog_name:
.db "basic",0

;now the code for the basic program
text(21,22,"you are fully")
STOP

remenber the program must be in ram
now to the other guy
what i said at principle was one thing then i admit my error and correct myself now and since a while that i said that opensource
on calc is realy code that is executed directly on PC it have the are the freeware defenition and the open source one...

<Rayden>ther bin code is fetch decoded and executed
<rhican> no it isn't, is executed whithoug by pipeline
<Rayden> z80 bus mode is faster than intel because it haven't wait states
<rhican> no it isn't intel is more faster because the wait states are only for moving data block faster
<Rayden> the pipeline on Z80380 is only one because of the new prefetch
<rhican> It doesn't matter, the intel P4 is great because althouth its big pipelyne it executes faster....
<Rayden> do you know that many engeneers have compared the Z80380 to a P4
<rhican> No, but that's not possible P4 is more faster...
<Rayden>yes it is but with is bigg pipelyna and the wait states it loses is speed
<rhican> No it doesn't lose
<Rayden> As you want boy, you seem to understand very mutch about intel but do you know the history...

[removed] rayden is just ignorant, shouldn't have spent so many words on this anyway.

This is officially my last post in this thread. So i'm sure you'll take the last word, a bit lower. But hey i don't care i have my sanity.

well before you said more anithing look to this "http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/x.html" this has some answers for you now if you look under your /etc directory you will see many config files this files configure the system behaviour at startup and theres another directory that is /boot this have the right configuration for loading the kernel modules before boot now freebsd is diferent from linux in many aspects one of more revelance is that freebsd load the modules at boot time and linux don't this is an advantage for us because we can turn on and off the modules with witch we are having problems this is a courtesy of netbsd and if you look better under your etc directory you will see all the config files for UFS FFS2 " I HOPE THAT THE UFS FFS3 be released soon" all subdevices systems like usb, firewall and as many oder's for the
configuration of the x11 go to etc/X11 as you can see these scripts are executed to put the system to work right


now about the xserver we have two options or we use the default one and have to deal with configuration each time that we acssess to screen or we use the nvidia one this last uses some configuraion files in binary form witch gives a great speed to the system... i think that this will explain all...

when i said open source runs in opensource way i was looking from the side of calculators as i'm a member of ACZ "assembly coders zenith" another point is that the programs considered as programs run on calculator in opensource like a script texas and the people that program the calculator considered that as a basic program and it is like a script althout you cann't edit it on your computer without special software because is a language that uses tokens for speeding up a litle the things when decoding this programs the Ti-OS that is stored on flash chip recurs to port $58 a lot to execute some dificult operations...
that give many work to the CPU.... on PC world you considered that a script file and a script language i hope that this clears some ideas...