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Trav
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http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/tor-madness-reloaded/

Are those of you who live in Germany worried about what is happening? I'm worried and I don't even live there. The only thing this guy is guilty of is running a tor server.

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On Sunday morning, 00:15 AM, July the 29th, someone knocked on my door very hard. I just came back from a pub-crawl with a friend from the UK, was quite drunk, opened the door and just heard “Police!”. They entered my appartment, cuffed me and started to search my flat. My wife was scared to death. I was held in my own kitchen for almost 30 minutes


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Minutes later they explained me that I’m suspected of placing a bomb-threat at a german copper-forum called copzone.de - a forum I never heard about. They accused me of posting shit like “I’ll plant a bomb in the department of work” and that I was about to cut-throat (or something like that, I can’t remember, I was drunk) a worker from that department.


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I explained them that I was a Tor-operator and what Tor is about. I showed them the letters from the Feds from the earlier incident to proove that I’m not bullshitting them. However, the coppers weren’t not so much into Tech-stuff and told me that a forensic unit will care about all my equippment. They searched everything: My attic, my office, my car, they digged through my wifes underwear, they found my old chmistry books very interesting, the flak-vest I own which I use when I go to strange countries, they found the fertilizer which I use for my chilli-plants, my microcontroller-experiments looked like an IED to them: Basically, EVERYTHING was suspicious.


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The consequences: I’ve shut down my Tor-server. I can’t do this any more, my wife and I were scared to death. I’m at the end of my civil courage. I’ll keep engaged in the Tor-project but I won’t run a server any more. Sorry. No.


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Thursday I was still sitting in the car driving through Austria back to Germany when my wife called me up “we have another letter”. This time the accusation is “computer fraud”. I don’t know any details yet, but I’m supposed to show up for interrogation next thursday. My lawyer is informed. Details when I can tell them.
So, so sum up everything: I was arrested. They scared my wife. They consfiscated all my equippment. They stopped the investigation. I’m sitting on a pile of bills from my lawyer no one except me has to pay. I’ll sue for compensation, but I don’t think that this will lead anywhere. I’m now accused of something else. Horray! Bloody hell. I still love my country, but it’s bitching around.

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I think the main problem here is that most people don't know enough about computers .... in this case even the police
I think this guy will not be put into prison and I don't think this guy will have trouble any more .... but never the less an interesting story ... now I know I will not run a tor server^^

I think this can happen in every country, so I wouldn't worry about that (or do I err about that?)
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@moose

That's the problem mate... it is not illegal to run a given server, yet actions like these put fear into a lot of the populace.

Less tor servers = more pressure on existing servers = even slower speeds + hitting bandwidth limitations on those servers earlier. It's a bad cycle.

And no, he might not be going to jail, but to go through that sort of thing for no reason is ridiculous. Not to mention that as of Thursday they are trying to pin a computer fraud charge on him. It's just wrong.
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don't worry too much about this, nothing new.

They shouldn't abuse tor. But Tor has a more profound purpose.

You can't blame a newspaper for their letters being used in a randsome note.
Can't blame the bloke for saying, well it isn't worth for me anymore.

Luckily there are enough other exitnodes, many of which are of corporations,
which you can't hold hostage in their kitchen.

If you want to sent an anonymous bomb thread email, you can easily do that without tor. Just think of all those remailers.

Although I didn't read all of this, I'm pretty sure this is not too shocking. But offcourse it's a reality you need to be aware of. You also don't run a tor exitnode by mistake. He was aware of which risks there were. The police was powerless and probably did all they could, it est very annoying.

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ok, here are my thoughts on Internet privacy
methods to identify persons in the internet (and how to bypass them):
  • cookie (proxomitron )
  • configuration profile (I don't know if this is done .... I think of getting the os, browser, browser configuration and everything else you can get .... this is not very effective, I think over 10 % of all surfers will have XP with Internet Explorer and because of the automatic update 7.0) (proxomitron )
  • IP (proxies like tor)


Why could people want Internet Privacy?
  • It's more difficult to protect yourself against illegal collection of Data
  • why illegal collection of Data? only the public authorities can assign ip's to persons (with the help of the isp ... but the isp itself isn't allowed to give anyone these information than public authorities and it isn't allowed to use these information itself ). Or do you think of creation personality profiles of a person?... I think the google queries might say a lot of a person (even who this person is), for example
  • if you life in a totalitarian sate Internet Privacy is very important to guarantee free speech


Why doesn't the law enforcement agency want Internet Privacy?
  • Its more difficult to fight (internet) crime if you can't identify the persons via internet


btw..... if you see any spelling / grammatical mistakes I would be happy if you'd correct me
I have to improve my English :D
Edited by moose on 25.09.2007 14:24:48
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I'll try to find the mistakes though my English isn't brilliant either. So feel free to correct my corrections

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ok, here are my thoughts of Internet privacy

on internet privacy
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methods to identify persons in the internet (and how to bypass them):
  • cookie (proxomitron )
  • configuration profile (I don't know if this is done .... I think of getting the os, browser, browserconfiguration and everything else you can get .... this is not very effective, I think over 10 % of all surfers will have XP with Internet Explorer and because of the automatic update 7.0) (proxomitron )
browser configuration: usually if you are unsure, it's two words instead of one
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  • IP (proxies like tor)
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    Why could people want Internet Privacy?
    • Its more difficult to protect yourself against illegal collection of Data
  • "It's"
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  • why illegal collection of Data? only the public authorities can assign ip's to persons (with the help of the isp ... but the isp itself isn't allowed to give anyone these information than public authorities and it isn't allowed to use these information itself ). Or do you think of creation personality profiles of a person?... I think the google querys might say a lot of a person (even who this person is), for example
  • queries
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  • if you life in a totalitarian sate Internet Privacy is very important to guarantee free speech
    [/list]

    Why doesn't the law enforcement agency want Internet Privacy?
    • Its more difficult to fight (internet) crime if you can't identify the persons via internet


    btw..... if you see any spelling / grammatical mistakes I would be happy if you'd correct me
    I have to improve my english :D
  • English :P

    There are a few sentences, mainly those where you use "more difficult" that sound funky to me. Often replacing it with "harder" sounds better. at least to me.
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